Curse

Lord Sojar · Jul 15, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I feel dirty for asking this because I'm more of a PS3 fan, but I just heard that Square is ditching exclusivity for their final fantasy franchise. Does anyone else think that this is only because the PS3 isn't selling enough and SE needs to keep their game open to as many potential buyers?

I have a feeling if Sony doesn't turn their ship around fast, it is going to be sunk. Usually when Square starts jumping ship it's because that ship needs jumping.

Ok, minus the arguing this time.

It isn't because the PS3 isn't selling well, it is selling very well now.

In short, SE wants more money. If they dual release, they get more money.

Sony's ship is fine. Their ship set sail, and their plan worked. Sony is fine.

Answer your question?

some guy · Jul 15, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

^ The above is true, minus the dual launching part.

It is not happening, it is simply some stupid ass rumor. Just like the big rumor about MGS4 coming for 360. I think not.

And the PS3 is not selling well? Give me the drugs you are on please. The PS3 is selling beautifully. Oh, and considering their sales for FFXIII will be huge in Japan and the 360 is... well getting owned by the PS as usual there, yeh, it's not happening.

Square have been partners with Sony forever. They were initially worried about the underperformance of the PS3 sales. That fear is gone, and the install base is huge, especially in Square's homebase, Japan.

If, and I do mean, IF, Square releases it to the 360, it will be several months after the PS3 version, and it will be inferior graphically, and load times will be hideous (because you cannot make an HDD reliant game for the 360 because MSFT is too cheap to but HDDs in all their "modern" consoles)

The PS3 FFXIII will have installable file of about 3.5-5GBs, which will drastically decrease if not eliminate load times. Sorry to burst your hopeful bubbles, but Sony isn't letting go of one of their biggest selling franchises. That is like Nintendo letting MSFT have Mario, or Zelda. Not gonna happen.

I am sorry you bought a 360 and made fun of the PS3 saying it had no good games, but now that it is getting amazing exclusive titles, did you honestly think your petty crying would magically make the XBX 270 (RRoD only goes around 270 degrees) get those titles.

You have Halo 3. Ohhh! You have Gears of War... wait, PC too with better graphics.. Nevermind.

If you want FFXIII, fork over the money. End of story

EDIT: Let me make one thing clear... I think Wada is a sniveling scum for going against Sony, and Sony is going to punish him for it. If the 360 release isn't mysteriously "delayed" indefinitely, then you can expect whiplash in another form from Sony. Sony will not let this go without a huge fight. Wada made a big mistake by doing this.

Been looking forward from you commenting on this topic. My opinion is that Square is probably been looking to do this for a while.

It's not worth it people, come on.

Every thread about the games on consoles turn into a fight sooner or later. It will turn into the "no this is better", "go die fanboy" etc. (And the occasional PC people complaining)

As a proud 360 owner and a PS3 player, I played both consoles, and I enjoy gaming on both. (I'm leaning towards the 360, but hey I don't openly talk crap about the other console) I'm looking forward to FF XIII playing on my XBOX.

EDIT: I respect your opinion, but WTF, it's not a rumor.

Brb editting

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It is still a rumor. Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

And if you think I like Sony so much, you are wrong. I hated the PS2, and loved the XBOX and Gamecube. I never owned a PS2 until God of War came out.

Yo Fuzzy... 200 dollars more eh?

Buy an XBOX 360 Pro for 299 now. You will need the 20GB HDD to even compared equally to the PS3. Now subscribe to XBOX live for 50 bucks per year. So 1 year lets say.

You are at 349. Now, go buy yourself a standalone BluRay player, another 400 bucks. You are up to 749. Ok, you wanted wireless Internet on your 360 for media server capability. Drop another 99. So 848 dollars to match what the 40GB PS3 has base level. Yep, Microsoft sure is giving you a great deal.

Crap games eh?

Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword (albeit short), Lair (with dualshock control scheme, not SixAxis), MGS4, and the better version of GTA4 and BF: Bad Company. Yep, it is soooo crappy on the PS3. Oh, and Blu Rays, don't forget those crappy blu rays.

You think Halo Wars will be 360 exclusive in the long run? LOL. That 360 and its amazing mouse and keyboard support... oh wait, that is the PS3, never mind.

Whirlwind and Fuzzy. It think you missed why Sony sells the PS3 at a loss. Blu Ray. They won the format war that way. They pulled a brilliant marketing scheme. You actually think they care if they lose money on the PS3? And with the Cell shrink to 45nm and RSX shrink and improvements to 55nm, the PS3 will run quieter and use electricity (which it already runs infinitely quieter then the Xbox 270 jet turbine)

PS Online can't compete with Live? Oh, well I am glad you like PAYING for LAGGED OUT SERVERS with crappy download speeds. Pardon me while I download stuff off PSN at 2-3MBps.

I wouldn't watch the M$FT Press Conference if you paid me to. They are full of shit whenever they talk about any of their products. Microsoft is under Ballmer's full control now. You actually think that hyperactive idiot is going to do well with that company without Gates there? HAHHAAHHAHH! That guy is a class A nutjob.

What good product has MSFT made when compared to other stuff on the market? Windows XP only got decent in the last couple of years. It was garbage well after release. Vista... lol... big businesses are boycotting it for god's sake. The ZUNE 2? Yep! I WANT ONE SO MUCH! Oh wait, the iPhone 3G or iPod touch. Pardon me while I buy one of those instead.

You can say whatever you like about that PS3, but at least Sony makes a product that can run 24/7 and doesn't have a failure rate of 17%.

On the bright side, the 360 makes a great door stop or red lighting accessory to your entertainment center. Just hope you don't mind the electric bill to power the most expensive 270 degree LED lighting display ever.

LOL! And you think Sony has to sell PS2s to be able to even build the PS3? Apparently you don't understand how Sony's corporate umbrella functions, and how IPO transfers work. Sony owns most of the major movie studios. They also now have royalities on all high def disk releases. You think they care about money? Just LOL at that.

screw this new post

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Like this is what I'm saying, you say you are not a fanboy, I don't think so. You are saying stuff that's not even true. This is what I'm saying, almost every time a good thread like this gets turned into a fight. I do believe you are not TRYING to be a fanboy, but you have to get your facts straight first instead of just jumping in like that.

First of all

My xbox never crapped out on me, I had it for over a year now (I play a lot also). I also know people that had it longer than me, and their consoles never crapped out on them. Consoles crapping out is the consequence of making bad decisions with your console like placing it on carpet. RRoD can be said as a thing of the past, because changes to the hardware made the 360 more reliable over all.

I download fast on xbox, I have an average internet connection, and I game without lag around 98% of time time. Online can be slow, but that only happened to me like 3 or 4 times, and they go back up almost instantly. I saw your speedtest post, so what you have a faster than average internet speed. When my friends host gaming parties, I often bring my Xbox over to his house (He has a PS3), we play a bit of this we play a bit of that, and most of the time he's downloading stuff on his PS3, I don't see much of a difference, we both have the same ISP.

Corrrect me if I'm wrong, my Xbox have never let me down yet and I don't think it will ever will. If you find any thing that's not true, just tell me and support it with FACT and I will change it.

Use the Edit Button Next time plz.

Etta · Jul 15, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Why would anyone feel dirty about having mutiple consoles? If anything you should be feeling superior, for gently caress sake you're rich! I have both 3 consoles, well I gave the Wii to my partner when she moved out cus she likes that hoola hoop game.

Never understand this console fanboy thing at all.

some guy · Jul 15, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Etta

Why would anyone feel dirty about having mutiple consoles? If anything you should be feeling superior, for gently caress sake you're rich! I have both 3 consoles, well I gave the Wii to my partner when she moved out cus she likes that hoola hoop game.

Never understand this console fanboy thing at all.

exactly

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DarkNecrid · Jul 15, 2008, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whirlwind

Sony already declared the ps3 went to crap, look at how much they are selling them for, they are losing money on ever sale just to get rid of them.

Every console (except possibly the Wii) causes the company to lose money per sale.

You do realize that no console to date (except possibly the Wii) has sold for the cost it takes to produce them right? You would be paying way higher than a PS3's start cost to buy a 360 if this was the case.

A Leprechaun · Jul 15, 2008, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It is still a rumor. Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

And if you think I like Sony so much, you are wrong. I hated the PS2, and loved the XBOX and Gamecube. I never owned a PS2 until God of War came out. I finally caved and bought one.

Yo Fuzzy... 200 dollars more eh?

Buy an XBOX 360 Pro for 299 now. You will need the 20GB HDD to even compared equally to the PS3. Now subscribe to XBOX live for 50 bucks per year. So 1 year lets say.

You are at 349. Now, go buy yourself a standalone BluRay player, another 400 bucks. You are up to 749. Ok, you wanted wireless Internet on your 360 for media server capability. Drop another 99. So 848 dollars to match what the 40GB PS3 has base level. Yep, Microsoft sure is giving you a great deal.

Crap games eh?

Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword (albeit short), Lair (with dualshock control scheme, not SixAxis), MGS4, and the better version of GTA4 and BF: Bad Company. Yep, it is soooo crappy on the PS3. Oh, and Blu Rays, don't forget those crappy blu rays.

You think Halo Wars will be 360 exclusive in the long run? LOL. That 360 and its amazing mouse and keyboard support... oh wait, that is the PS3, never mind.

Whirlwind and Fuzzy. It think you missed why Sony sells the PS3 at a loss. Blu Ray. They won the format war that way. They pulled a brilliant marketing scheme. You actually think they care if they lose money on the PS3? And with the Cell shrink to 45nm and RSX shrink and improvements to 55nm, the PS3 will run quieter and use electricity (which it already runs infinitely quieter then the Xbox 270 jet turbine)

PS Online can't compete with Live? Oh, well I am glad you like PAYING for LAGGED OUT SERVERS with crappy download speeds. Pardon me while I download stuff off PSN at 2-3MBps.

I wouldn't watch the M$FT Press Conference if you paid me to. They are full of shit whenever they talk about any of their products. Microsoft is under Ballmer's full control now. You actually think that hyperactive idiot is going to do well with that company without Gates there? HAHHAAHHAHH! That guy is a class A nutjob.

What good product has MSFT made when compared to other stuff on the market? Windows XP only got decent in the last couple of years. It was garbage well after release. Vista... lol... big businesses are boycotting it for god's sake. The ZUNE 2? Yep! I WANT ONE SO MUCH! Oh wait, the iPhone 3G or iPod touch. Pardon me while I buy one of those instead.

You can say whatever you like about that PS3, but at least Sony makes a product that can run 24/7 and doesn't have a failure rate of 17%.

On the bright side, the 360 makes a great door stop or red lighting accessory to your entertainment center. Just hope you don't mind the electric bill to power the most expensive 270 degree LED lighting display ever.

LOL! And you think Sony has to sell PS2s to be able to even build the PS3? Apparently you don't understand how Sony's corporate umbrella functions, and how IPO transfers work. Sony owns most of the major movie studios. They also now have royalities on all high def disk releases. You think they care about money? Just LOL at that.

I read to this post and stopped, this post is mostly a big pile of fail, sorry.

~A Leprechaun~

Stuart444 · Jul 15, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I have heard so much stupidity over this since it was announced, specially about "loyality" (sp?)

I think alot of people are forgetting that FF1 - 6 came out on Nintendo consoles originally, they jumped ship to PS1 because they would make alot more money like that and they did (plus it was on CD while nintendo consoles were still using cartarages (sp?))

Now they are making FF13 multi-platform because it would make them alot more money, it's a good BUSINESS decision.

Well today is the nintendo and Sony press conferences, I wonder if Square will be at Sony and announce anything big >_> (well, we shall see at least >_> )

Etta · Jul 15, 2008, 11:58 AM // 11:58

^ "cartridges"

Ah yeah FF7 and the console switching, but that was different though. This time it's all about making $, £ and...um...where's the symbol for Yen? Y+=..

Anyway with multi platform release, everyone's a winner imo. Then again you'll hear stuff like "my version is better" or "mine load faster" etc, from GTA4 board all the time. Same stuff will happen to FF13.

Loyalty for brand is a gently caressing joke. Always has been, like Sega and Nintendo all those years ago.

Stuart444 · Jul 15, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

^ "cartridges"

Ah yeah FF7 and the console switching, but that was different though. This time it's all about making $, £ and...um...where's the symbol for Yen? Y+=..

Anyway with multi platform release, everyone's a winner imo. Then again you'll hear stuff like "my version is better" or "mine load faster" etc, from GTA4 board all the time. Same stuff will happen to FF13.

Loyalty for brand is a gently caressing joke. Always has been, like Sega and Nintendo all those years ago.

thanks for the correction in spelling ^^

As for the mine version is better or load faster or other crap, you will get that with ALL multi-platform games, everyones a winner really, the 360 fans and PS3 fans that love Final Fantasy can all enjoy it and Square-Enix can get the money from it which makes them a winner as well

We all win ^_^

Kattar · Jul 15, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

The whole "mine loads faster" argument had more weight with the last gen systems. With the stuff now, one may be faster in one area, say loading screen, while one is faster somewhere else. It doesn't really matter so much, since they each have strengths and weaknesses.

Sony had the advantage over MSFT in that respect since they were able to see the 360 (or 270

) first.

Console makers do this on purpose, imo. They want their console to be different then the others on the market, so they improve in some areas that other consoles may not have spent so much time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja

In short, SE wants more money. If they dual release, they get more money.

Nail, meet hammer.

I've kinda held back from speaking, since their's been some fanboi flamewar going on, but hopefully that's died down enough.

Etta · Jul 15, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Although PS3 might have a bit of an edge though (here we go! lol). FF13 probably fit on 1 BR disc plus the HD installation, while the 360 version probably spread across ....dunno 3 dvds? How many dvds does that game on 360 has? Y'know the rpg one, made by that ex-square guy, Lost...Legend or something.

If the 360 version has the HD installing as well, that'd be cool.

Kattar · Jul 15, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Etta

HD installing

Think there was an article on Engadget about this awhile back. Supposedly it's one of the features they're working on. Or something, I can't really remember. I'll try and find the article.

Hmm...it appears that was only related to NetFlix. Engadget Link

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Originally Posted by Engadget

Microsoft sure had itself a doozy of a press conference this year, but there's still more in store for Xbox 360 users than what was detailed during the keynote. First off, with the upcoming update, Microsoft will let users store and play back games from their hard drives. You'll have to have the disc in your drive for piracy reasons, but it won't be spinning during game play, which means quieter gaming and quicker load times (and more 60GB sales, we thinks, how convenient). Next up, Microsoft will let users make Xbox LIVE Marketplace purchases on the web, which are then automatically downloaded to your 360 for your enjoyment when you get home -- or walk across the room. The old "blades" Dashboard interface will be moved to the new Xbox Guide, which will provide a quick way to access everything on your 360. Finally, the 360 will support the 16:10 aspect ratio over VGA or HDMI, and work in 1440 X 900 and 1680 X 1050 resolutions.

Clicky

It appears I was not mistaken...

Etta · Jul 15, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/microsoft-says.html

This one? They're doing it but it won't be here for awhile. Good to hear this though, swapping disc this day and age is a no, no for me. lol

Stuart444 · Jul 15, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

Although PS3 might have a bit of an edge though (here we go! lol). FF13 probably fit on 1 BR disc plus the HD installation, while the 360 version probably spread across ....dunno 3 dvds? How many dvds does that game on 360 has? Y'know the rpg one, made by that ex-square guy, Lost...Legend or something.

If the 360 version has the HD installing as well, that'd be cool.

as I said, I did hear about FF13 being able to fit on a DUAL layer DVD (no link though, and I may be wrong, I am just mentioning this so people dont write it off straight away) and is about 8 gig. so there will be no disk swapping

however if I am wrong then the people who are glad about disk swapping will be glad because it reminds people of the old disk swapping days of FF7/8/9 (myself included although if I had a PS3, I would take time to find out the advantages/disadvantages of each. I'm not a fanboy of any one console and even plan to buy a PS3 someday....maybe even sooner rather than later depending on the E3 conference for Sony later today

Dante the Warlord · Jul 15, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Lol i love how people are bringing up "quality" and "great graphics", but really those things are pointless. I would rather have a great well played storyline and/or interesting gameplay rather then "great graphics" ANY day. Im no fan boy of XBOX 360, i find them money hungry and the "red ring of deaths" occuring on their XBOXs is absolutely terrible, but still i have one. XBOX 360 has good graphics, has some really fun games, who cares if it doesn't have blue ray DVD players, IMHO the regular DVD player was good enough, and i was just fine with the good old VCR (Not that I watch movies on the DVD often anyways since i watch them from the actual movie theaters). And, many good games come out for both XBOX and PS3 together ( Devil May Cry 4, Soul Caliber 4 just to name a couple), so i find the XBOX and PS3 battle relatively stupid. yes there are a few good games that don't come out for one system, but i find that most great games come out for both systems.

Now some people are saying that XBOX 360 games are coming out for the computer, while that is true, its nothing compared to the awesomeness to actually shooting on a controller and not having to use a stupid keyboard. I would play a console game over a PC game any day. I played Halo on the computer and Halo on the XBOX, its not as good on the computer as it is on the XBOX.

But aside from Rahja arguing on the PS3 side and the XBOX 360 supporters arguing it out against him, lets not forget who the true winner in the console wars is: Wii. I would rather buy a wii game then an XBOX 360 game, one that is fun and interactive. Its more fun and is a lot cheaper then XBOX 360 and PS3.

Lord Sojar · Jul 15, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Ok, that's it... time to get techy (it can far more techie, but let's not go there kk?). I look at things from a technical, analytical perspective at ALL times. If you want to prove the 360 is going to outlast the PS3 and has more development room, good luck.

XBOX 360: IBM's Xenon processor is a tricore glorified PowerPC processor with low peak performance, low transistor counts for its size, and extremely slow Lcache writing.

ATi's Xenos is the pride and joy of the 360. Without this little chip, the 360 would have been a flop. The phase of the materials used is prime, and it is impressive on texture scaling and texture overlay. It also excels at texture cache, thanks to its eDRAM daughter die, which is connected via SiOI. However, its weakness is in poly performance. Here, it can't keep up. Gears of War is a great example of how to properly use the Xenos; high texture counts, low poly counts.

PS3: The RSX chip developed by nVidia powers the PS3. At first glance, it appears to be a weaker chip than the Xenos from ATi found in the 360. However, its poly performance is double to triple in almost every scenario, and its shader performance is nearly triple that of the Xenos. The RSX only has one issue... weak performance on texture processing thanks to slower access to its RAMDACs. However, the situation quickly changes...

The Cell Processor is the heart and soul of the PS3. It is the world's most powerful processor, capable of scaling far beyond ANYTHING available. It is built using a single 3.2GHz (up to 4.5GHz) PowerPC core connected via an elemental link to small pseudo-processors, called SPE (Synergistic processing element)... 8 of them to be exact. To increase yields, 1 is disabled on the PS3 (god forbid!!!)

Say hello to Cell:

The Cell CPU cannot be bothered to do small tasks. It is built for massive floating point tasking, and as a result, it almost functions as a graphics chip in addition to be a CPU. What is the result? Where the RSX reaches it limit, the Cell comes into to play. The cell can Raytrace to assist the RSX in texture mapping, and overlays, as well as dynamic lighting. The Cell can handle all audio, up to 7.1 Dolby DTS MA (highest quality you can get). The Cell can manage all information, process network commands and manage network traffic, generate physics and graphics calculations simultaneously.

What end does this leave us with? It leaves us with the fact that 360 owners are stuck with a console that can do a teaspoon of work compared to PS3 owners metric ton of work. There is no contest.

Games are an opinion based question, so rather than argue that, let's just leave it at pure opinion (aka not a debatable issue)

What does this mean for each owner? It means that when the 360 has reached its limit (Gears of War 2), the PS3 will be far from it. With ample development time, a much larger disk capacity (thanks to that Blu Ray drive so many of you are knocking on), and the enormous power of that Cell processor, developers can do anything they want. Development for the PS3 started very slow, because the technology was so advanced, no one knew how to use it properly. That has changed.

The 360 is not a true next gen system. It lacks power to compete. It is as simple as that. Not having an integrated HDDVD/BluRay drive in the 360 for game development was the biggest blunder they made. It limits developers.

If FFXIII is on a single disk, you can expect terrible load times, unimpressive graphics (thanks to highly compressed textures and models, as well as reduced poly counts), terrible audio (thanks to insane compression of the audio), and a very dull environment (thanks to the lack of room for dynamic light casting etc) If it is multi disk, then it will be more on par with the PS3 version.

All of you who profess about the 360 being next gen clearly don't understand quite what that is. The PS3 fits the bill, and just barely. Without the Cell, it would be a piece of crap.

Stuart, Dual Layer DVD is tiny... TINY. 9GBs isn't much. Dual Layer Blu Ray = 50GB. 9GB isn't enough to make a NEXT GEN FF game look good. You have to sacrifice a lot to make it fit. If the 360 was truly next gen, it wouldn't have to sacrifice ANYTHING, EVER. Period, end of discussion.

Kattar · Jul 15, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

*Looks at screen and begins to babble*

I'm gonna say Rahja wins.

Anyway, the 360 was more successful (I'm only speaking about the United States) when it came out because it came out first. As mentioned, once "we witness the power of this fully operational battlestation," that is the PS3, MSFT is going to have to come out with something new, as the market share that they currently hold will slowly start to dwindle.

They (MSFT) may have the lead for now, but it's already shrinking, and the limited (I use that as a relative term) hardware the 360 uses puts yet another nail in the coffin.

.02 cents

Winterclaw · Jul 15, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It isn't because the PS3 isn't selling well, it is selling very well now.

In short, SE wants more money. If they dual release, they get more money.

Sony's ship is fine. Their ship set sail, and their plan worked. Sony is fine.

Answer your question?

Yeah.

The PS3 may be selling units, and I agree it is the better console (which is why I have one and don't have a 360) but because of the price I don't see them as the number one console. As for Sony's ship it may be fine, but in terms of exclusives, it's either losing them (FFXIII) or canceling them (Heavenly Sword 2 because the first didn't sell enough PS3s). And I don't think their plan worked because they must have released about 50 different versions of the PS3 trying to find the right mix of price and features.

However the PS3 did when them in the disc war with Toshiba so I will give them that.

BTW, I think Ballmer will screw over their windows side of things at the least, I'm not sure how he'll do with the 360. I don't think it is a coincidence that as Bill Gates started handing over the reigns that MS Vista didn't win people over and that Macs are slowly becoming more popular.

komma · Jul 15, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

[QUOTE=Unlucky Slayer] . Unless the 360 suddenly gets a blu ray player their version wont be that great compared.[QUOTE]

this is coming soon.

some guy · Jul 15, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ok, that's it... time to get techy (it can far more techie, but let's not go there kk?). I look at things from a technical, analytical perspective at ALL times. If you want to prove the 360 is going to outlast the PS3 and has more development room, good luck.

XBOX 360: IBM's Xenon processor is a tricore glorified PowerPC processor with low peak performance, low transistor counts for its size, and extremely slow Lcache writing.

ATi's Xenos is the pride and joy of the 360. Without this little chip, the 360 would have been a flop. The phase of the materials used is prime, and it is impressive on texture scaling and texture overlay. It also excels at texture cache, thanks to its eDRAM daughter die, which is connected via SiOI. However, its weakness is in poly performance. Here, it can't keep up. Gears of War is a great example of how to properly use the Xenos; high texture counts, low poly counts.

PS3: The RSX chip developed by nVidia powers the PS3. At first glance, it appears to be a weaker chip than the Xenos from ATi found in the 360. However, its poly performance is double to triple in almost every scenario, and its shader performance is nearly triple that of the Xenos. The RSX only has one issue... weak performance on texture processing thanks to slower access to its RAMDACs. However, the situation quickly changes...

The Cell Processor is the heart and soul of the PS3. It is the world's most powerful processor, capable of scaling far beyond ANYTHING available. It is built using a single 3.2GHz (up to 4.5GHz) PowerPC core connected via an elemental link to small pseudo-processors, called SPE (Synergistic processing element)... 8 of them to be exact. To increase yields, 1 is disabled on the PS3 (god forbid!!!)

Say hello to Cell:

The Cell CPU cannot be bothered to do small tasks. It is built for massive floating point tasking, and as a result, it almost functions as a graphics chip in addition to be a CPU. What is the result? Where the RSX reaches it limit, the Cell comes into to play. The cell can Raytrace to assist the RSX in texture mapping, and overlays, as well as dynamic lighting. The Cell can handle all audio, up to 7.1 Dolby DTS MA (highest quality you can get). The Cell can manage all information, process network commands and manage network traffic, generate physics and graphics calculations simultaneously.

What end does this leave us with? It leaves us with the fact that 360 owners are stuck with a console that can do a teaspoon of work compared to PS3 owners metric ton of work. There is no contest.

Games are an opinion based question, so rather than argue that, let's just leave it at pure opinion (aka not a debatable issue)

What does this mean for each owner? It means that when the 360 has reached its limit (Gears of War 2), the PS3 will be far from it. With ample development time, a much larger disk capacity (thanks to that Blu Ray drive so many of you are knocking on), and the enormous power of that Cell processor, developers can do anything they want. Development for the PS3 started very slow, because the technology was so advanced, no one knew how to use it properly. That has changed.

The 360 is not a true next gen system. It lacks power to compete. It is as simple as that. Not having an integrated HDDVD/BluRay drive in the 360 for game development was the biggest blunder they made. It limits developers.

If FFXIII is on a single disk, you can expect terrible load times, unimpressive graphics (thanks to highly compressed textures and models, as well as reduced poly counts), terrible audio (thanks to insane compression of the audio), and a very dull environment (thanks to the lack of room for dynamic light casting etc) If it is multi disk, then it will be more on par with the PS3 version.

All of you who profess about the 360 being next gen clearly don't understand quite what that is. The PS3 fits the bill, and just barely. Without the Cell, it would be a piece of crap.

Stuart, Dual Layer DVD is tiny... TINY. 9GBs isn't much. Dual Layer Blu Ray = 50GB. 9GB isn't enough to make a NEXT GEN FF game look good. You have to sacrifice a lot to make it fit. If the 360 was truly next gen, it wouldn't have to sacrifice ANYTHING, EVER. Period, end of discussion.

At least that's fact, not the random crap you made up.